Your thoughts? (a long read)

[Outsider]

I've really come to respect the opinions of a lot of you here and I'd just like to hear your thoughts on something I've done that bothers me one day and then makes me horny as hell the next.

Recently a couple that my wife and I are friends with moved away. One of them had their job transferred out of state and they had to leave pretty quickly. The company provided them with a fully furnished place to live in until they could find a place there. So they put their house up for sale and left. Since the company provided the furnished place, they only took their clothes with them for now. All their funiture was left behind until they sell the house and find a new place. They asked us to check on the house a couple of times a week, go inside to make sure everything was ok, etc. I volunteered to mow the lawn so they didn't have to worry about hiring a lawn service. The house is fairly close to where I work so it's easiest for me to stop by there. The other day I went over to mow the lawn after work and had taken a change of clothes.

I went inside to change. I guess here I should mention that the girl is smoking hot and very sexy. So I'm in there changing and I'm thinking about all the naughty things I'd love to do with her. I went into the bedroom to visualize them fucking and playing on the bed while I stroked myself a little. Then I thought that maybe some of her clothes were still there and thought it would be hot to just touch some of the clothes where that hot body had been. (you know how perverted us horny guys are, right? ) I thought I might get lucky and there would be a few things left behind but when I took a look in the closet everything was gone. I looked in the dresser drawers and they were completely cleaned out too. I thought maybe they had left some clothes in the washer or dryer. No luck. My last chance was that maybe some were left in the clothes hamper. Again I struck out.

As I was about to go out and start on the lawn a thought occurred to me. You know how sometimes some clothes will get behind the drawers in the dresser and you never realize that they are there until you need to move the dresser? I mean, you take the drawers out so that it's easier to carry and then you find some socks or underwear or whatever back behind the drawer and you never even knew it was there. Essentially it was lost and you would never know it was there if you never pulled the drawer out. You never even had missed it.

So I go over to the dresser and pull out a drawer. Nothing.
I pull out the second drawer. Nothing.
I start pulling out the third drawer, which had a lone bra strap in it. This had been the only thing I had found up until now. As I pulled it out and peered behind it ........... jackpot! Not one, not two but three pairs of panties back there!! I pulled them out and just stood there for a few minutes looking at each one, slowly one at a time just visualizing that beautiful sweet pussy and ass residing in these sexy bits of cloth. I gently brushed my fingers back and forth over the crotch areas of each one, my cock throbbing harder all the time, knowing that I was touching where her pussy had been. Finally I couldn't resist and went over to the bed, dropped my pants and stroked myself while I held and caressed the panties. I didn't play enough for the precum to start flowing but I did hold each one against my cock to stroke it a little with the panties, along with rubbing them over my balls and over my belly and chest, imagining her rubbing that sweet pussy up my body as she moved up to sit on my face.

I didn't want to get precum on the panties because I planned on putting them back and thought that was taking it too far to leave my juice there. I already felt like it was kind of a violation anyway. As pulled my pants up and started to put them back, the thought crossed my mind that she had probably never missed them and had no idea they were there. Then I did something I never expected ..... I slipped all three pairs into my pocket and took them. I couldn't believe I was doing it myself but at the same time I was thrilled by the adrenaline rush. After finishing the lawn and going back to my house, I pulled the panties out and jacked off while touching and holding them. I rubbed them on my cock as I jacked then put them aside as I shot my load even though I badly wanted to spurt my load right where her pussy had been. At this point I still thought I'd take them back. But now ..... I've jacked a few more times with them and have decided to just keep them.

That's where I'd like your thoughts. What do you think about what I've done? A couple of things are bothering me a little but then the thrill of touching these things that have been so intimate with her almost balances out the bad feelings. First of all, when you come right down to it, I stole these things. But then I'll rationalize that she most likely never knew they were missing, essentially they were lost. So, finders keepers? Then, what about the violation of their trust? Is it a violation of her as a person even though I now think these panties now cannot be returned? I'd like to hear some thoughts on this.

Sorry for the novel!!

[bethfan]

OK, well, so strictly speaking, that is theft and you're a bad boy. But the reality is they're a few bucks worth – and won't be missed anyway. Unless they're the ones from her wedding night and were hugely sentimental

[SavoryIce]

First off, I will never understand the male obsession with panties, but I have this for you:

People always says that one (wo)man's trash is another man's treasure. This girl obviously lost these three pairs of panties over how long she did lose them in, and she had no use for them. If she found she was short on stock, she got new ones. Now, when it gets down to it, this is stealing, and remarkable perverted, especially when you live with a woman yourself, who I think you should be much more intrigued by, since you know her much more...But since she probably doesn't want those, it's sort of okay that you have them. But, despite how perverted you may be, this is morally wrong and I think you should pack them neatly into one of those drawers, or just acknowledge that your actions weren't those of a wise man.

[Alan]

First off, I will never understand the male obsession with panties, but I have this for you:

People always says that one (wo)man's trash is another man's treasure. This girl obviously lost these three pairs of panties over how long she did lose them in, and she had no use for them. If she found she was short on stock, she got new ones. Now, when it gets down to it, this is stealing, and remarkable perverted, especially when you live with a woman yourself, who I think you should be much more intrigued by, since you know her much more...But since she probably doesn't want those, it's sort of okay that you have them. But, despite how perverted you may be, this is morally wrong and I think you should pack them neatly into one of those drawers, or just acknowledge that your actions weren't those of a wise man.

For the most part, I think I agree with Savory. However, you should also think about who would get hurt if your secret was public knowledge. Your friend and his wife wouldn't be happy, but they probably would not be wounded for life. How about your wife? Seems like any explanation for her catching you with another woman's panties would be devestating.

[SavoryIce]

I was pretty much hinting at those things, but I thought he'd already considered those himself.

[Niagra]

Outsider, she has no idea the panties were left and will not miss them. Your actions are typical and understandable in many ways. I think a lot of guys would have done the same thing. The stealing thing is hardly an issue because they were left behind and not known they existed.

However, my question is this, Is having those panties in your possession worth a divorce?Worth the amazing pain your woman would suffer should she find them? This is where you are clearly in violation in regard to your actions from the start. How do you think your woman would feel if she knew how you lust after another? How would you feel if when she goes over to water the plants if she had the same secret lust for that other womans husband, laid on their bed and rubbed her clit several times in a day , fantasizing about his hard throbbing cock rubbing all over her body, and fucking her like no tomarrow!!

This is where Niagra thinks you have made a severe lapse in judgement. Think about it!

[bethfan]

Interesting how possession of the panties crosses the line from fantasy to reality ... they're just some threads sown together. Or is it just the fact that the panties are evidence? How about all the married people who cum here or in the chat room? Are they guilty too? Or am I missing something?

[Canuck28]

having those panties in your possession worth a divorce?Worth the amazing pain your woman would suffer should she find them? This is where you are clearly in violation in regard to your actions from the start

You asking this of a person who comes to a masturbation chatroom/forum and masturbates with other woman behind his wifes back......I would say not muh difference ........

[LoveThyself!]

How 'bout sweatbands. She got any sweatbands? I like sweatbands.

Xanadu..... Xanadu-oo-ooo (now we are here) in Xanaduuuuuu!

[Niagra]

How 'bout sweatbands. She got any sweatbands? I like sweatbands.

Xanadu..... Xanadu-oo-ooo (now we are here) in Xanaduuuuuu!

OMG you crack me up even when my world is falling to shambles around my feet. Thank you so much !!

[Niagra]

Interesting how possession of the panties crosses the line from fantasy to reality ... they're just some threads sown together. Or is it just the fact that the panties are evidence? How about all the married people who cum here or in the chat room? Are they guilty too? Or am I missing something?

This is indeed a very good point and I would love someone to open a topic on this very issue on the forum as claerly we would have our work cut out for us in arriving at any acceptable general concensus even after intelligent debate on the issues. But it sure would be stimulating to try.

On a personal level and since my words are those quoted I can assume you were asking me I must say that I try hard to not take into consideration the lies one tells to others or the secret this place is to others when I answer any posts here. I have spent almost a year sharing my hopes and the reasons for those hopes for people to live their lives as honest and open as possible with their chosen lifes partner. It to me is the only way for you to be able to soar to place and purpose you are even on this earth for. That having been said, alas that choice is not up to me except in my own life. Therefore, when I answer a post I tell you exactly what my opinion is about the exact circumstances. In this case it is very clear to me and I dare say should have been to you and him, that should the mrs. find the panties or learn what happened with those panties, a deep and painful situation would be the result, one that could have easily been avoided and a violation indeed has occurred.

I wanted to include this next statement in my original post but for an unknown reason I chose to not do so. I will now though , you know me!! When I say it could have been avoided I am saying that is it simply too much to expect a man or woman be able to control the sexual urges he has for another in the real world, once he vows to be faithful to the marriage bed? No it is not. On the other hand is it that big of a deal that a man or woman for that matter, relish in the complete and utter exploration of sexual fantasy for someone real (not cyber) outside the marriage if it does not involve physical bodies other than your own? I say yes it is a big deal and God help your sorry ass should you be my husband and I find out. Worse of all God help me!! In my opinion love and marriage and the marriage bed should be protected with your very life! Those panties and who was in them became an enemy to that sacred place the moment you began ALLOWING yourself to feel sexual towards this real life person and should have been dealt with accordingly , appropriately.

It is one thing to look and say mmmmm when we see a hottie standing beside us, it is an entirely different thing to spend any length of time rolling around in the scent, feel and sexual thought of another person especially to orgasm. Should you try and imagine it happening to you I am quite sure the point will be driven home with avengence. xx

P.S. Alan its nice to see you posting again.

[bethfan]

It is one thing to look and say mmmmm, it is an entirely different thing to spend any length of time rolling around in the scent, feel and sexual thought of another especially to orgasm. Should you try and imagine it happening to you I am quite sure the point will be driven home with avengence. xx

If that is the case, then what the fuck are we all doing here?? What are you doing here? Is this for singles only?

[Outsider]

Thanks for all the replies everybody. Please keep them coming if you have any more thoughts on the subject.

These are exactly the kind of replies I was hoping for and I knew I wouldn't be disappointed. I have already thought about many of the things you all have posted here and I've had a tremendous amount of mixed feelings over this. On the one hand I know it is wrong on several levels but then on the other hand I don't plan on keeping them forever and I'm pretty certain that they won't be found. The panties themselves are simply physical objects that can be disposed of. The other implications won't go away quite so easily. If I were to put them back it would ease the worry about stealing but the rest will remain.

I know this all may sound trivial when compared to those who do actually physically cheat on their partners but I don't do that. In fact, coming to this forum, watching porn, fantasizing about other women, online chatting, etc., etc. have actually prevented me from physically cheating.

[bethfan]

I know this all may sound trivial when compared to those who do actually physically cheat on their partners but I don't do that.

I don't either. But I am a bit alarmed by the judgment that the flirtation, fantasising, mutual cyber masturbation etc etc that I engage in here is wrong because I have a partner whom I love and want to be with and who doesn't share this interest. If I didn't have a partner, presumably it would be fine. To be honest, I find this view very alarming. It's my nature to take criticism on board and to review my position whenever I am challenged. And I'm going through such a painful review right now.

Yes, I can understand the POV and that's what makes it even more distressing. I don't need to tell my partner to know her views on the subject, so I've let sleeping dogs lie. Now I feel guilty, sad and inadequate. And this is not a plea for sympathy. It's just the warts-and-all truth. Contributions welcome.

Bethfan, in my experience and thats years of... many many times men were absolutely wrong about how they perceived what their female partners want and how they would react about things, let alone what may interest them. For example I can tell you that any woman that has healthy sexual behavior would most certainly find our chat room veryyyyyyyyy interesting. Especially if she stumbled on it by accident somehow... hint hint while you were say in the bathroom or at the store one day!! Or better yet ask her to call it up because someone told you to check it out at work and you thought it sounded very odd!! That way you could check it out together. I don't know you or her so this may not apply , but I am positive that in my experience counseling and helping people literally all my life , 85% of men truly sell themselves short by simply not allowing a woman to feel how she would feel or think how she would think on a subject just like this. Truly you cannot say she has no interest if you have not asked her!! You can say I bet she does not have it or I am 99% sure but until you ask her you can not say that. Imagine your surprise should you come home early one day and found her sitting in chat watching the men jack off!! woohoo oh happy day!. .. Niagra

[Alan]

Bethfan; your comments are very valid and have made me realize that many of my posts to this forum were hypocritical. Seems like maybe I should "think more" and "judge less". Thanks for the insight (seriously). At a minimum, my post to Outsider should have been quailified with the fact that I would have done exactly the same thing (except that I think I would have found her panties much quicker).


I consider myself to be a stand up guy and I am always willing to "take one for the team". Outsider, you can't put the panties back where you found them because you have clearly been tampering with the evidence; nor is it humanly possible for you or any other horny guy to destroy or disguard panties belonging to a hot woman that were secretly "scored". You are clearly in a jam and I am willing to help you out........ Send the panties to me (and a picture of the woman) and I will "hold" them for you. There is no need for you to thank me, as I am sure you would do the same for me.

Eventually, your friends and/or your wife will confront you about the missing panties. Thanks to me, you will be able to look them in the eyes and say "fucking Alan took them".